Denis Wick 10cs

[Slydeflex]

How does the Wick 10CS pair up with a 500 bore Conn 6H? Is it closer to a bach 7C? Or 6 3/4?

[Posaunus]

Hmm. Published spec of Wick 10CS is closer to a 6¾C, but feels to me more like a 7C. But that's just me, after a very quick comparison.

[Vegasbound]

Which 10cs? The original is much more an 11c size/feel the new design is more towards the 7c feel

[heinzgries]

the 10 CS has a bigger throat (6,24mm) and a bigger cup (25,2mm).Feels more open blowing than comparable Bach.
Sounds a bit darker.

[Shumanbean]

I play a 6H and I tried a 10cs and a 7 cs. The 7 works better for me, and for how I want to sound, but the 10cs would work. I could loan you mine, if you want to try it out with your horn.

[Slydeflex]

I play a 6H and I tried a 10cs and a 7 cs. The 7 works better for me, and for how I want to sound, but the 10cs would work. I could loan you mine, if you want to try it out with your horn.

Thank u, bro

[bellend]

The original 10CS was a lot smaller than the current incarnation and for my money a much better mouthpiece.
Best guess is that Mr Wick has switched manufacturers several times over the years and specs have wandered and not in a good way.

BellEnd

[Shumanbean]

Bellend, I don't know so much about old wicks, but I get how the current 10cs seems kind of big. Slydeflex, I tried it again tonight, and it was okay, but I really like the 7cs I have: my sound is kind of dark with it, and feels open. High range is there, but weak on my part because I'm coming back after thirty years off. I'm really gone on it. You should consider one.

I appreciate my 6h more daily. What a great horn, eh? It has a deep deep soul.

So, let me know if you want to try the mouthpiece out. It's just going to sit on the shelf.

Daniel

[SKAzz]

I played a 10CS for about 2 years with a 2B Liberty. I liked it. I didn't love it. I switched to my Rath R1 with the same mouthpiece. again, liked, not loved. I moved to the 12CS and found that my face loved it much more. It just did more of what I wanted easier.

[TromboneMonkey]

None of the Wick pieces really feel like the Bach mouthpieces in terms of blow, in my opinion. The throats are all wildly different. I like the 7CS the best out of all of them; it was designed for a Bach 34 and indeed works best in my similar Bach 36. The new 10CS rim feels bigger than most 6 3/4 rims to me, smaller than most 6 1/2 rims. It just doesn't "match" with any of my horns in a balanced way.

I agree with Bellend though, if I was going to buy another Wick it would be of the older "small font" variety.

[Vegasbound]

As I mentioned on another post Denis redesigned his mouthpieces in the mid 1990's. And the originals had different rim shapes and the 10cs was an 11c sized piece

[MikeS]

As I recall, the10CS was originally designed as an alto mouthpiece. To me it feels more like a shallow larger mouthpiece than an 11C, which feels small and blows tighter. It would work fine on a .500 bore horn if that’s the feel you like.

[Vegasbound]

As I recall, the10CS was originally designed as an alto mouthpiece. To me it feels more like a shallow larger mouthpiece than an 11C, which feels small and blows tighter. It would work fine on a .500 bore horn if that’s the feel you like.

It was made for Don Lusher to use with the .500 bore sovereign and based on an old Bach 11c

[MikeS]

As I recall, the10CS was originally designed as an alto mouthpiece. To me it feels more like a shallow larger mouthpiece than an 11C, which feels small and blows tighter. It would work fine on a .500 bore horn if that’s the feel you like.

It was made for Don Lusher to use with the .500 bore sovereign and based on an old Bach 11c

I don’t doubt it, but I was going by this.

https://www.dansr.com/wick/resources/wh ... r-trombone

[Vegasbound]

Well the originals are still a great 11c sized piece copied from an old Bach 11c, the new design is a totally different size and feel

[Almont]

I have been a reader of the site for some time now - years!

It is a thread on the Wick 10CS that prompted me to join so that I can put in my 2 cents worth.

The 10CS was introduced some time after Don Lusher had produced his line of Paxman mouthpieces in the mid 70s, and the 10CS was based, or a copy of this design. The main difference between the two was that the 10CS had more of a curved rim, The Lusher rim was a bit more of an aquired taste, it was narrow and slightly raised towards the cup.

The 10CS that I tried was an earlier one and the cup depth was slightly less than the Lusher. I think this was due to manufacturing variances, as the Don Lusher mouthpieces were not all exactly the same, but near enough not to make a point of it.

The sound from this particular Wick 10CS that I tried did not match up to the sound of the Don Lusher mouthpiece. Both were 25mm with 6.35mm throats. I always felt that the throat would have been better around 6.15mm, and eventually the Wick 10CS throat was changed nearer to this. The range at both ends was excellent on the Don Lusher mouthpiece, and it suited the King 3B. Through practice and aiming for it, it was possible to spin the tone (is that term still in use?)

Just for history's sake, it's worth noting that the Don Lusher range was based on a mouthpiece given to Will Bradley by Tommy Dorsey. This was in turn given to Don Lusher by Will Bradley. In the Lusher/Paxman range, the S (small) Lusher mouthpiece and the L (large) mouthpiece, along with the M (medium), all had the same throat size, which I regarded as a mistake, and as I recall, the cup depths were the same too. The M size was better served by this cup depth and throat size than the others I think, and is a fine mouthpiece. The Giardinelli 5D (New York model) with its slightly deeper cup and smaller throat size of 6.00mm had a more centred, resonant sound, but the Lusher mouthpiece in the high register was hard to beat for its singing quality.

[LetItSlide]

Very cool to read about the history of the Wick 10CS. When I discovered this mouthpiece and used it for playing lead in a jazz ensemble, I was done looking for a smaller trombone mouthpiece. Maybe there is one out there that I'd like even better, but this one checks all the boxes for me.

[westla]

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

I have been a reader of the site for some time now - years!

It is a thread on the Wick 10CS that prompted me to join so that I can put in my 2 cents worth.

The 10CS was introduced some time after Don Lusher had produced his line of Paxman mouthpieces in the mid 70s, and the 10CS was based, or a copy of this design. The main difference between the two was that the 10CS had more of a curved rim, The Lusher rim was a bit more of an aquired taste, it was narrow and slightly raised towards the cup.

The 10CS that I tried was an earlier one and the cup depth was slightly less than the Lusher. I think this was due to manufacturing variances, as the Don Lusher mouthpieces were not all exactly the same, but near enough not to make a point of it.

The sound from this particular Wick 10CS that I tried did not match up to the sound of the Don Lusher mouthpiece. Both were 25mm with 6.35mm throats. I always felt that the throat would have been better around 6.15mm, and eventually the Wick 10CS throat was changed nearer to this. The range at both ends was excellent on the Don Lusher mouthpiece, and it suited the King 3B. Through practice and aiming for it, it was possible to spin the tone (is that term still in use?)

Just for history's sake, it's worth noting that the Don Lusher range was based on a mouthpiece given to Will Bradley by Tommy Dorsey. This was in turn given to Don Lusher by Will Bradley. In the Lusher/Paxman range, the S (small) Lusher mouthpiece and the L (large) mouthpiece, along with the M (medium), all had the same throat size, which I regarded as a mistake, and as I recall, the cup depths were the same too. The M size was better served by this cup depth and throat size than the others I think, and is a fine mouthpiece. The Giardinelli 5D (New York model) with its slightly deeper cup and smaller throat size of 6.00mm had a more centred, resonant sound, but the Lusher mouthpiece in the high register was hard to beat for its singing quality.