Mouthpiece for Solo/Small ensemble Playing

[confusedtrombonedude]

Hi,
I am thinking about getting a mouthpiece more suited for solo and small ensemble playing because I have found that my current mouthpiece gives me a sound that feels too "orchestral" and that I get more physically exhausted than when I am playing orchestral rep. Does anyone have opinions on this topic and if it is worth getting. And what parts of the mouthpiece would I keep the same and change. I currently play on a Schilke 51. Thanks

[dukesboneman]

If you`re happy with the rim of the 51, why not try a 51C4 or 51B?

[confusedtrombonedude]

If you`re happy with the rim of the 51, why not try a 51C4 or 51B?

I've been thinking about trying both these along with the Lindberg 4Cl, since the rim size is very close to the 51's (0.03mm difference)

[Doug Elliott]

I think both of those Schilkes have a very different rim shape, and likely different inside diameter, from a 51.
You would think different flavors of 51 would be the same but they're not.

[WilliamLang]

Speaking of Doug, I've found his XT G* and G8 shank, with somewhere between a 102 and 104 rim (I prefer the 104) are really quite excellent for chamber and small ensemble playing. Very clear and compact without getting to orchestral, but still able to support a beautiful sound.

[LIBrassCo]

https://www.librassco.com/eon-series-tenor-trombone

Look at the Eon 525, would be a great option.

[Doug Elliott]

My F+ cup is a very slightly shallower version of the G, that's perfect for a "less orchestral" sound with almost the same feel. Coming from a 51 I'd suggest XT 102, F+, G8.

[Matt K]

I’ve been using really shallow pieces for that. I have a somewhat similar Getzen that you do and typically use an E depth on it (XT E), or even break out a 525/547 slide and use a D+ on it!

[boneAngo]

it's actually the throat make u play difficult. try a smaller throat with a deeper cup. like 52d

[VJOFan]

I play on a Shilke 51 large shank and a 51 c4 small shank. Both are at least 30 years old, so modern ones may be different, but they are close enough that when I go from one to the other it doesn’t feel different on my face anyway. Perception isn’t reality, but it’s how it feels for me.

[Trav1s]

My F+ cup is a very slightly shallower version of the G, that's perfect for a "less orchestral" sound with almost the same feel. Coming from a 51 I'd suggest XT 102, F+, G8.

I played a Schilke 51B for 30 years on both .522/.525 and .547 horns and have since switched to Doug's setups for both. I'm using the XT 102, F+, G8 on my Benge 165F for solo and quintet work and I'm very happy it.

[mbarbier]

I really enjoy the LiBrass Sasha Romero 525 for that type of playing. I think it was designed as a solo mouthpiece for her. It's a great piece.