Black Lacquer Kings?

ttf_Gravedigger · Post by **ttf_Gravedigger** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:29 pm

Any info on these? They seem to pop up on ebay occasionally. Checked retail pages but nothing shows up.

3b http://www.ebay.com/itm/King-3B-Black-Tenor-Trombone-/282400389783?hash=item41c05ffa97:g:ZFwAAOSwdGFYzRh1

ttf_HouBassTrombone · Post by **ttf_HouBassTrombone** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:48 pm

What do you need to know about them?

ttf_greenbean · Post by **ttf_greenbean** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:27 pm

I have a question about them.

why?...

ttf_BGuttman · Post by **ttf_BGuttman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:53 pm

I don't think King ever offered black lacquer in a commercial product.

But several after market vendors did offer black lacquer.

I'd approach with caution. A good lacquer job is OK, but a bad one ...

ttf_mr.deacon · Post by **ttf_mr.deacon** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:49 pm

Quote from: greenbean on Mar 21, 2017, 09:27PMI have a question about them.

why?...
Right?

Black lacquer looks alright on saxes (still not my preference) but it always just looks cheap on trombones and trumpets. Why cover up something as beautiful looks as brass???

ttf_Matt K · Post by **ttf_Matt K** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:22 am

I don't know, I think they look pretty great. I suppose I do have unusual preferences and enough horns that I can get plenty of brass with just one horn colored like that. I'd want to make sure who did it though like others mentioned. The only one I'd probably trust to buy in that condition unless I played it first would be the Yamaha Black Phoenix model that was offered in limited supply.

ttf_HouBassTrombone · Post by **ttf_HouBassTrombone** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:58 am

King did offer it with black lacquer. They didn't promote it too much. They did it at the same time as they did the black lacquer King sousaphones.
They are just standard horns with black lacquer.

ttf_stanzabone · Post by **ttf_stanzabone** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:22 am

Sure makes the bell engraving look good!

ttf_Baron von Bone · Post by **ttf_Baron von Bone** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:55 am

Quote from: greenbean on Mar 21, 2017, 09:27PMI have a question about them.

why?...
Maybe because they look killer! ... dunno. Just a guess.

Could be a coating that avoids sun damage for outdoor gigs.

ttf_Baron von Bone · Post by **ttf_Baron von Bone** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:56 am

Quote from: mr.deacon on Mar 21, 2017, 11:49PMRight?

Black lacquer looks alright on saxes (still not my preference) but it always just looks cheap on trombones and trumpets. Why cover up something as beautiful looks as brass???
Same for silver/nickel plating?

Eh?

ttf_bonenick · Post by **ttf_bonenick** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:12 am

Not necessarily. But it is not a main feature of a professional instrument. It should first play well and be well build. The colour is a secondary thing

Harrelson summit trumpet

Spiri daCarbo trumpet

ttf_Exzaclee · Post by **ttf_Exzaclee** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:58 pm

This is one of the newer Eastlakes - any problems with it won't be due to the lacquer job, which looks factory to me.

JJ had a black lac horn, pretty sure it was done by King... they did a green one for Urbie as well, i think one for Kai that was blue or red or something - some of these came up on the ebay about 10 or 12 years ago if i remember right.

They didn't do many.

ttf_mwpfoot · Post by **ttf_mwpfoot** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:21 pm

The Yamaha inky black "Phoenix" specials are lovely to me.

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=57642.0;all

Some day my Phoenix will come.

ttf_mwpfoot · Post by **ttf_mwpfoot** » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:21 pm

The Yamaha inky black "Phoenix" specials are lovely to me.

http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=57642.0;all

Some day my Phoenix will come.