More YouTube Trombonists

ttf_zemry · Post by **ttf_zemry** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:49 pm

April in Paris

Who is the trombonist soloist at the 1:43 mark?

http://youtube.com/watch/v/_sImjTJgYe0

ttf_conductorjonz · Post by **ttf_conductorjonz** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:13 pm

That is my friend Mr. William Henry "Bill" Hughes. He has been with that orchestra since around 1956 with a hiatus to raise his kids.

He is now after, 50 years with the band, the leader of the Count Basie Orchestra.

He was at one time a very fine jazz tenor trombonist. If you pick up Frank Wess' "Four trombones and Flute" it showcases Bill on a beautiful rendition of "Don't Blame Me" I almost cry when I listen to it.

Bill is also one of THE most modest and underated player ever to grace the stage IMHO.

A wonderful human being!

Greg

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:27 pm

Mr. Hughes was on a bass trombone, wasn't he? He was playing the low chair, and the bell looked awfully big and the slide rather wide. Hard to tell with the poor video and sound quality, as well as the short length of his solo.

ttf_BarryLee · Post by **ttf_BarryLee** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:22 pm

Quote from: conductorjonz on Nov 28, 2007, 05:13PM Frank Wess' "Four trombones and Flute"

Bill is also one of THE most modest and underated player ever to grace the stage IMHO.

A wonderful human being!

Greg

Who else was on that, do you recall?

I've been meaning to get hold of it -- knocked me out when somebody played it for me.

Savoy, "Trombones and Flute," right?

Barry

ttf_conductorjonz · Post by **ttf_conductorjonz** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:07 am

Yes, Bill was playing bass trombone by the time of this video. I think he still plays the same Holton that he has always played. His two big solos for most of the time...if Al grey was gone from the band...were "April in Paris" and "Blues in Hoss'/Frankie's Flat".

I always though Bill could swing like Johnny Hodges. Less is more. Very relaxed and easy. He never got his due by sitting at the end of that section because of other people who came and went like Al Grey, Booty Wood, Curtis Fuller, J.J. Johnson, Benny Powell, but he never complains about that. I think he was comfortable plying the roll he has. Henry Coker was similar...kind of overshadowed.

The line up on the album with Wess was:

Frank Wess-Flute

Bill Hughes
Henry Coker
Jimmy Cleveland
Benny Powell-Bass

Ronnell Bright-piano
Freddy Green-Guitar
Kenny Clarke-Drums
Ed Jones-Bass

Basically the "Basie" trombone section of the time. 5 fine tracks and plenty of room for each player to stretch out a bit.

Another of my favorites is "Al Grey and the Basie Wing" which has Grey, Grover Mitchell, and Bill Hughes, along with many other Basie sidemen. It is an old Argo LP and can be found on E-bay quite often.

ttf_marty nichols · Post by **ttf_marty nichols** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:14 am

If this is a duplicate, sorry. The trombonist is remarkable IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUIbpWoSBEQ&feature=related

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:41 am

Quote from: marty nichols on Nov 29, 2007, 04:14AMIf this is a duplicate, sorry. The trombonist is remarkable IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUIbpWoSBEQ&feature=related

That's Bert Boeren...... Fantastic player!!!!!!!
You can hear more of him here.......... http://www.rathtrombones.com/artists/rathPack.htm

Wonder if Mama approves?
Probably a bit too "fiddly" for her.........

ttf_zemry · Post by **ttf_zemry** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:23 am

Quote from: marty nichols on Nov 29, 2007, 04:14AMIf this is a duplicate, sorry. The trombonist is remarkable IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUIbpWoSBEQ&feature=related
Thanks!! I enjoyed that clip. Very good trombone playing!

ttf_RedHotMama · Post by **ttf_RedHotMama** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:35 am

Hang on. I like the trombone playing in Marty's clip.

Eeek. Good ensemble playing.

And the front-line boys weren't just farting around up top, but were using the range of their instruments.

I don't like the guy's solos AT ALL in Chris's clip (yup, FAR too fiddly, Mr. Fidler!), but excellent playing , of course.

ttf_Paul Martin · Post by **ttf_Paul Martin** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:01 pm

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Nov 29, 2007, 04:41AMThat's Bert Boeren...... Fantastic player!!!!!!!
You can hear more of him here.......... http://www.rathtrombones.com/artists/rathPack.htm

Wonder if Mama approves?
Probably a bit too "fiddly" for her.........

Boeren has a great jazz sound on that SS or Silvertone he's blowing, just the sound I'd want to put out for that style of music.

I'm not sure what kind of bone playing RHM does like, if Teagarden and a guy like Boeren don't do it for her.

ttf_Paul Martin · Post by **ttf_Paul Martin** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:07 pm

It is also noteworthy how many really interesting players there are out there, with serious chops, doing interesting thing on the horn.

ttf_zemry · Post by **ttf_zemry** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:25 pm

Speaking of interesting things on the horn, check out Robin Eubanks.

ROBIN EUBANKS and EB3
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/iL53YUrpuqE&feature=related

Pentacourse - Robin Eubanks and EB3

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/UpauqnimMsE

ttf_zemry · Post by **ttf_zemry** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:31 pm

Fred Wesley!

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/1Z9nBQ_sn8Y&feature=related

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:23 am

Mark Nightingale with the New Trombone Collective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKUqT70sFVU

Also Wycliffe Gordon and Mark play Spain......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7YlWTPqqlo

ttf_Bellend · Post by **ttf_Bellend** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:13 am

The One and only Urbie Green

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiBG-atBvgA

BellEnd

ttf_Burgerbob · Post by **ttf_Burgerbob** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:36 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkiZlL0YI0s&feature=related

Not specifically trombone, but great playing all around.

ttf_Graham Martin · Post by **ttf_Graham Martin** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:58 pm

Time now for some Aussie traditional jazz, played in this case to an American audience at the Sacramento Jazz Festival 98. This is the Fireworks Jazz Band with Tom Baker, in this case on trombone and doing a vocal. Tom is an American/Aussie and was for many years the titular head of the traditional jazz movement in Australia, mostly leading his own bands on trumpet. He was equally talented on sax but I always thought his best instrument was trombone. Tom is no longer with us and towards the end was playing trombone almost exclusively and was very close to the style of Miff Mole who he had always admired. We all really miss Tom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0OwUeM2xZs&eurl=http://www.webofjazz.net/australia.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHgxAOZBb60&eurl=http://www.webofjazz.net/australia.htm

I know that Evan tries to attend the Sacramento jazz festival most years and in fact played there this year.

The audience shots give away the average age of the tradition jazz fans in America - and here unfortunately. But the last time I saw the Fireworks Jazz Band they had some very talented young jazz musicians, so there is hope.

ttf_The Sheriff · Post by **ttf_The Sheriff** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:11 pm

Grah, different types of jazz usually have younger audiences. Yeah it's too bad, cuz the trad stuff is great.

ttf_zemry · Post by **ttf_zemry** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:45 pm

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Dec 01, 2007, 03:23AMAlso Wycliffe Gordon and Mark play Spain......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7YlWTPqqlo

Now!! That was a pleasure to listen to!!

ttf_zemry · Post by **ttf_zemry** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:49 pm

Wycliffe Gordon plays his composition, Bone Man, with the New Trombone Collective at Slide Factory '07 in Rotterdam, Netherlands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/eVlUV2JJmss&feature=related

ttf_Malec Heermans · Post by **ttf_Malec Heermans** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:28 pm

Quote from: zemry on Dec 01, 2007, 06:49PMWycliffe Gordon plays his composition, Bone Man, with the New Trombone Collective at Slide Factory '07 in Rotterdam, Netherlands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/eVlUV2JJmss&feature=related

Damn. A living master.

ttf_JP · Post by **ttf_JP** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:04 pm

Quote from: malec on Dec 01, 2007, 07:28PMDamn. A living master.

You got that right. I had the pleasure of hearing him play a "solo recital" with a piano player a couple of years ago. Maybe one of the best live instrumentalists on this planet at this moment.

Damn. A living master.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:07 pm

If anyone's interested, this is a recording of my youth orchestra brass quintet (me playing trombone of course) playing the Canadian Brass arrangement of The Saints' Hallelujah.

Comments would be greatly appriciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45FYH9-WGQk

ttf_JP · Post by **ttf_JP** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:13 pm

Well, my first thoughts were that the trombone and the tuba was awesome. As y'all got together, I had to revise that to the whole quintet is awesome. And, I would not diss that by saying "for young players, or high schoolers, or whatever". You cooked the music just right and served up an incredible feast.

If you are looking for criticism: few places of intonation, a few places of balance (which is impossible to tell from a mic on cam, you had to be there). I would also be careful that the showboating (choreographed movements) don't get exaggerated to the detriment of your musicality (they didn't, IMHO, on this video...talkin' about the future, please keep the audio more important than the visual).

Your group (you and the tubist especially) obviously ripped the place apart. Who could not stand up and holler Hooray! after that great performance.

TY for sharing that very special (especially because it was live) moment with all of us.

You guys rock!

ttf_marty nichols · Post by **ttf_marty nichols** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:41 am

Dittos to the above comments and more!!!

I myself couldn't do it. I never play the "Saints" the same way twice, I should say I can't play it the same way twice.

ttf_WaltTrombone · Post by **ttf_WaltTrombone** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:18 am

Quote from: AppletheJack on Dec 07, 2007, 03:07PMIf anyone's interested, this is a recording of my youth orchestra brass quintet (me playing trombone of course) playing the Canadian Brass arrangement of The Saints' Hallelujah.

Comments would be greatly appriciated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45FYH9-WGQk
Rocking! One thing you might want to try- At around 3:30, you play a lick that goes BDEDBDEDBDEDBDED, and you played it 4-1-2-1, etc. Try it 4-4-#5-4. (Yes, E in #5!) When I play it, I do it that way, and I think Gene does, too. Much smoother, and swings better.

Outstanding!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:28 am

...I just got off the road with the Boston Brass and lo and behold this popped up on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LYDysZ94E0

Me and Jose Sibaja battling on Greensleeves with a big Boston Brass free-for-all at the end...
...under the baton of the great Sam Pilafian...

Wes Funderburk
www.funderbone.com

ttf_BoneCall · Post by **ttf_BoneCall** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:45 pm

Check Mr. NICOLA FERRO out. Very tasty and and dig the realtime facility with the trombone, keyboard and that gear. What happened to all the acrobatic technique? He gives me the impression that he doesn't need it and still has something very interesting to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkMAP-7W41s

ttf_Graham Martin · Post by **ttf_Graham Martin** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:54 pm

I am interested by the software. Do you think those harmonies are really moving with a predetermined chord sequence, or what?

I don't mind his playing either.

ttf_BarryLee · Post by **ttf_BarryLee** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:30 pm

Very cool!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:15 am

Check Brandt Attema playing with Netherlands Blazzers Ensemble (NBE) ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y36aT4C_c0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWa39e-Nnds&feature=related

Both of them are so nice pieces and with excellent playing from Brandt!!!!

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:36 am

Quote from: BoneCall on Dec 08, 2007, 05:45PMCheck Mr. NICOLA FERRO out. Very tasty and and dig the realtime facility with the trombone, keyboard and that gear. What happened to all the acrobatic technique? He gives me the impression that he doesn't need it and still has something very interesting to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkMAP-7W41s

And the point being????????
A few silly tricks.
GREAT...........

This is more creative, and real........... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4no-AP9A5Y&feature=related

ttf_Graham Martin · Post by **ttf_Graham Martin** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:12 am

And the point being?

ttf_Dan H. · Post by **ttf_Dan H.** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:15 am

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Dec 10, 2007, 06:36AMAnd the point being????????
A few silly tricks.
GREAT...........

This is more creative, and real........... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4no-AP9A5Y&feature=related

Pray tell, what do you define as being a "trick?"

ttf_Chris Fidler · Post by **ttf_Chris Fidler** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:26 am

Quote from: Dan H. on Dec 10, 2007, 08:15AMPray tell, what do you define as being a "trick?"

The electronics!
He's doing nothing you can't already do on a keyboard EWI or EVI.
Synthetic crap! What's the point?

Where's the beautiful natural trombone sound???

If you like that stuff go listen to Robin Eubanks, Hal Crook, Darren Kramer use electronics!!!
At least they are saying something with their choice of notes.

This guy is "messing around"........... Give me 2 minutes to hook up to his gear and i could easily do the same and more!!!

He's a good trombone player though!!!

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:29 am

"Messing around" is healthy...and being creative is healthy....

...he's just some dude healthily messing around and being creative. Cheers to that guy...we should all mess around more. I'm gonna mess around right now and put it on YouTube.

Wes Funderburk
www.funderbone.com

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:42 am

Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Dec 10, 2007, 10:29AM"Messing around" is healthy...and being creative is healthy....

...he's just some dude healthily messing around and being creative. Cheers to that guy...we should all mess around more. I'm gonna mess around right now and put it on YouTube.

...jeeeeeeez!

Wes Funderburk
www.funderbone.com

Herein lies the danger in forums like these. The illusion of anonymity allows us the ability to impose our personal opinions and beliefs on a bunch of people that we view as digital information. Hooray for experimentation. If it excites you, then that's great. Learn as much as you can and employ all you know to make a personal statement. You can learn from others, or from your own experiments. Information is good. Perspective is good. Lots of people eat Big Macs everyday. I don't. Maybe someday I will again, but it probably won't be a staple of my diet.

When we think of the others who populate the forum as real people, it should be easier to dissent with kindness and respect.

DG

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:48 am

Quote from: D Gibson on Dec 10, 2007, 10:42AMHerein lies the danger in forums like these. The illusion of anonymity allows us the ability to impose our personal opinions and beliefs on a bunch of people that we view as digital information. Hooray for experimentation. If it excites you, then that's great. Learn as much as you can and employ all you know to make a personal statement. You can learn from others, or from your own experiments. Information is good. Perspective is good. Lots of people eat Big Macs everyday. I don't. Maybe someday I will again, but it probably won't be a staple of my diet.

When we think of the others who populate the forum as real people, it should be easier to dissent with kindness and respect.

DG

..did I just get scolded? I can't tell...I was just trying to be witty.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:55 am

Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Dec 10, 2007, 10:48AM..did I just get scolded? I can't tell...I was just trying to be witty.

not at all...i was agreeing with you.

dg

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:04 am

Quote from: D Gibson on Dec 10, 2007, 10:55AMnot at all...i was agreeing with you.

dg

...whew! On with the silliness!!

ttf_ctingle · Post by **ttf_ctingle** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:58 am

And to add to the silliness.....

Simply using a silentbrass mute and bone as a midi controller is something I personally want to do more often to see what I come up with. In that spirit, I like what this gent put out.

On the musical front, I have to say I think his choices are pretty simplistic and possibly produced after ingesting a Big Mac or two. That's cool....as Herbie said, "You can't have caviar for every meal. Sometimes you need a good hot dog", or something to that effect.

Personally I'd like a meatier hot dog with more flavor, more chili, more spices and cheese, maybe even a sausage dog.....from a bone player playing over this kind of material.

Interestingly enough, or not, I just won a silent brass mute on ebay today for exactly this purpose - Eubanks and Crook research, though at the beginning stages.

Cheers,

Quote from: Graham Martin on Dec 09, 2007, 09:54PMI am interested by the software. Do you think those harmonies are really moving with a predetermined chord sequence, or what?

I don't mind his playing either.

ttf_DaveAshley · Post by **ttf_DaveAshley** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:44 pm

I've made up my mind.

Every time I feel the urge to click on this topic, I'm going to run to the nearest McDonalds and eat a Big Mac -- even if I just ate an entire meal.

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:14 pm

Why don't we start a new topic of forum members' YouTube footage?...it'll be fun! We can see who'll be able to dish it out and who'll be able to take it...

Wes Funderburk
www.funderbone.com

ttf_DaveAshley · Post by **ttf_DaveAshley** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:18 pm

Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Dec 10, 2007, 02:14PMWhy don't we start a new topic of forum members' YouTube footage?...it'll be fun! We can see who'll be able to dish it out and who'll be able to take it...

Great idea!

Only one requirement: You have to post a video of yourself in order to comment.

ttf_BoneCall · Post by **ttf_BoneCall** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:23 am

QuoteOn the musical front, I have to say I think his choices are pretty simplistic and possibly produced after ingesting a Big Mac or two. That's cool....as Herbie said, "You can't have caviar for every meal. Sometimes you need a good hot dog", or something to that effect.
You mean simple statements are worth less than more complicated ones? Some people are of the opposite opinion, that simple expressions are the most effective. That he isn't doodling over Giant Steps doesn't bother me in the least. That was some beautifully concise playing and interfacing with the software he set up and I really enjoyed the simple melody he improvised with great time and feeling in the second half of the video. Good poise too, I expect to hear more good stuff from Signor Ferro in the future with and without computer.

ttf_ctingle · Post by **ttf_ctingle** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:51 am

That's not quite what I said, but I'll wait until I have something posted on YouTube to go much further. I like Wes and Dave's idea of us getting our "thing" out there as we discuss and/or critique anything else.

I'm glad you dug what NF did, and I dug some things about it, other things not as much. OK with you? Or not?

So be it. We dig what we dig, and hope to dig when we're dug....swingin hep cats!

Cheers,

Quote from: BoneCall on Dec 11, 2007, 03:23AMYou mean simple statements are worth less than more complicated ones? Some people are of the opposite opinion, that simple expressions are the most effective. That he isn't doodling over Giant Steps doesn't bother me in the least. That was some beautifully concise playing and interfacing with the software he set up and I really enjoyed the simple melody he improvised with great time and feeling in the second half of the video. Good poise too, I expect to hear more good stuff from Signor Ferro in the future with and without computer.

ttf_LX · Post by **ttf_LX** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:58 am

Simplicity or complexity do not in and of themselves determine a music's appeal, greatness, relevance, importance or significance.

They are means to an end.

Frankly, I've seen BS come in both forms too.

LX

ttf_anonymous · Post by **ttf_anonymous** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:46 am

Quote from: LX on Dec 11, 2007, 07:58AMSimplicity or complexity do not in and of themselves determine a music's appeal, greatness, relevance, importance or significance.

They are means to an end.

Frankly, I've seen BS come in both forms too.

LX

Right on!

ttf_ctingle · Post by **ttf_ctingle** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:57 am

Once again, Sir Alex, you've made me put down my morning coffee to say, "Damn....!"

You have a way of cutting to the chase, boiling things down, getting to the bottom line.....insert next cliche here.....in a most straight forward way.

You go, Alex!

Keep groovin,

Quote from: LX on Dec 11, 2007, 07:58AMSimplicity or complexity do not in and of themselves determine a music's appeal, greatness, relevance, importance or significance.

They are means to an end.

Frankly, I've seen BS come in both forms too.

LX

ttf_BoneCall · Post by **ttf_BoneCall** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:26 pm

QuoteSimplicity or complexity do not in and of themselves determine a music's appeal, greatness, relevance, importance or significance.

They are means to an end.

Frankly, I've seen BS come in both forms too.
Well sure LX, BS does indeed exist in both extremes but its far more tempting to hide behind complexity and from what I've experienced its by far the most prevalent form among jazz trombonists. No one wants to be accused of not knowing all the tricks. But wait, where's the music?!