Yeah. It's rare. That's what happens when you play for the audience and the music instead of the fame and the money, especially when the audience is not particularly..."favored"...by the racist U.S. power structure. That's also what happens when you don't really like to promote yourself. So it goes. I have willingly and quite consciously traded the fame and exposure for the literally thousands of solos that I have been privileged to play over the years in clubs, rehearsals and venues like this one with real players making real music.
Like I said..."Double Euphoria Heaven." Playing music like that...not just latin stuff but music of that intensity...is a drug. Bet on it. I guess everybody chooses his or her own high. So it goes.
"MUSIC JUNKIES OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!"
Or something like that.
Glad you liked it.
S.
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Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:45 pm
by ttf_Graham Martin
I know that a lot of people are mystified when I talk about 'hot' jazz. So here is a wonderful example of that Condonish/mainstream jazz that I love so much. Three trombone players who are absolute heroes of mine:
These three guys are also equally good cornet players. Tom Baker, sadly no longer with us, is a multi instrumentalist and he was a huge influence on the jazz scene here in Australia for thirty years. Dan Barrett and Tom were great mates from way back in the USA and used to get together on tour in America, Europe and Australia. Michael Supnick is the other bone and he is often the regular trombone player with Lino Patruno.
If your foot is not tapping, I feel sorry for you. Great jamming on "Linger Awhile".
Maybe I missed it somewhere, I didn't see any reference to Christopher Bill's 'happy' loop, which I found very surprising; very entertaining: http://youtu.be/ZxODzxY6AvI
Stephen
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:56 pm
by ttf_anonymous
Don't usually tug my own chord, but here are some tracks that I laid down last week for an upcoming military band audition. Just found out yesterday that I'm on to the final round.
I always like to listen to some JJ every so often because his playing of jazz always sounded so complete to me when he first came to my attention in the 1950's. Despite the fact that all the history books say the same thing, I have never really thought that it was true to say that he was the first to adapt the pioneer bebopper's phrasing for the trombone. And to back up my impression; in this video made in Japan he explains his influences and approach to playing jazz. You might be quite surprised! Lester Young mainly with Vic Dickenson and Trummy getting honourable mentions. No mention of Bird or Dizzy, you will note. I don't say they were not in the mix somewhere, because he did play the bebop scene in the late 1940's, but it seems the 'approach' to playing was much more important to JJ than the phrasing.
Here's an outstanding trombonist on youtube, a korean trombonist "Otae Kwon"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBACwXlHZeQ
Plays an old minick conn... great intrument .
I was fortunate enough to play a duet with my professor and idol Jim Pugh the other night. This was my farewell concert from the University of Illinois and I will be shipping out this summer to
play with the Navy Commodores in Washington D.C. Hope you enjoy!
Sounds nice, and congrats on the gig! See you in DC after your "summer camp" intro to the Navy!
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:09 pm
by ttf_anonymous
Great job, Ben. I look forward to hearing you in person.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 6:41 pm
by ttf_Graham Martin
This is not a great video, as such, but Elkartian has now put up a whole LP of British trombone king George Chisholm from his 1968 recording "More Music For Romantics". It is a series of beautifully played ballads, some of which you do not hear too often (When did you last hear "Say It Isn't So"?). George is accompanied by a quartet and I am not too keen on the organ; but George's trombone tone, his phrasing and the tasteful embellishments of the melodies is just so beautiful. That is exactly how a trombone should be played.
That's the beauty of well-made music, the tunes bring back fond memories to those who heard them then, but are completely new to a younger audience.
Someone did a pretty famous vocal of this, was it Vic Damone, Dick Haymes?
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 6:13 pm
by ttf_Graham Martin
To tell the truth, even though the younger generations may not know "Say It Isn't So", it is hard to find a great singer from the past who did not record it. I guess that is true of most Irving Berlin tunes. Amongst the guys: Bing Crosby, Andy Williams, Nat Cole, Dean Martin (another cousin of ours?) and I have no doubt Damone & Haymes. Amongst the ladies: Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Dinah Washington, Julie London, et al - even Cher.
Until hearing that George Chisholm version, my favourite instrumental was by Coleman Hawkins. And the beauty of it all is, these days, you can hear all those versions on YouTube. However, to find them, you might have to wade through a lot of versions of the Daryl Hall & John Oates song with the same name.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:02 am
by ttf_Paul Martin
Cousin, you'd be envious: My band, The Starfall Orchestra, is launching its debut this Sunday in a beautiful venue in Chicago.
Bob Ojeda, who started with Kenton in the 1950s, and had long stints with Kenton, Herman, Basie, Les Elgart, and the (now) lesser known Ralph Marterie, leads and fronts us, and man, what a difference having a guy with that kind of first-hand knowledge of "the real deal" makes.
He also writes for us in various styles, including a very Elgart-eqsue "I'll Never Smile Again" (businessman's bounce, trumpets an octave above the bones), the dancers are going to eat it up!
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 3:26 pm
by ttf_Sliphorn
Quote from: jamin4d on May 07, 2014, 10:49AMI was fortunate enough to play a duet with my professor and idol Jim Pugh the other night. This was my farewell concert from the University of Illinois and I will be shipping out this summer to
play with the Navy Commodores in Washington D.C. Hope you enjoy!
Ben, I knew you'd get a gig. I knew it when I heard you play in Louisville, KY a while ago...whoo boy. Congrats...you doing lead or jazz?
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 10:42 pm
by ttf_jamin4d
Quote from: Sliphorn on May 12, 2014, 03:26PMBen, I knew you'd get a gig. I knew it when I heard you play in Louisville, KY a while ago...whoo boy. Congrats...you doing lead or jazz?
I got the jazz chair. Really looking forward to joining the band soon.
"But I still prefer the Dixieland bands,
They were the grand bands, to me!"
Here! Here!
And Tommy was one of the best! I still remember that my Mum and Dad's favourite band, bar none, back in the 1930s and 40s was The Clambake Seven. Listening to those 78s as a kid was how I became a jazz fan.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 11:51 pm
by ttf_stonebone
I just came across this one on YouTube with Carl Fontana and Alan Kaplan. Yeah, I know some of you will say it's too "fiddly," but I love straightahead bebop with the pedal to the metal. I hope this hasn't been placed before, but I don't have time to check all 119 pages of this topic.
Sure, when they're good; but so many of them are so very bad, the trombonist in one band I subbed for explained that he was aiming for a "wounded elephant" quality to his sound, and he succeeded.
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 1:27 pm
by ttf_anonymous
Check out Martin Schippers & Tomer Maschkowski in this absolutely flawless performance of Devil's Waltz for two bass trombones by Steven Verhelst.
Wonderful playing! Also a beautiful recital hall. I hope it was not a church for such a great version of Devil's Waltz.
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 6:01 pm
by ttf_KingMan
Quote from: cyberdybner on May 23, 2014, 01:27PMCheck out Martin Schippers & Tomer Maschkowski in this absolutely flawless performance of Devil's Waltz for two bass trombones by Steven Verhelst.
I came just came across this trombone feature 'I Have Dreamed' from the Glenn Miller Orchestra on their 1997 recording "The Miller Sound Lives Forever". I love the change up from 'C' to 'Db'. Just in my range.
Quote from: Graham Martin on May 28, 2014, 07:06PMI came just came across this trombone feature 'I Have Dreamed' from the Glenn Miller Orchestra on their 1997 recording "The Miller Sound Lives Forever". I love the change up from 'C' to 'Db'. Just in my range.
Does anyone know who is playing trombone?
Graham, the year of the recording would fit with Larry O'Brien being the leader, but the tone is harsher than Larry's, so I'm not sure who it is.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 4:29 pm
by ttf_Graham Martin
I find Raul De Souza a fascinating jazz trombonist. There are many videos to watch and I am very impressed with his technique using the slide or valves.
How many did you recognise before the name comes up!
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:33 pm
by ttf_Graham Martin
A nice tight version of Ory's Creole Trombone by Ben Mauger's Vintage Jazz Band at the Hot Steamed Jazz Festival, 2014 in Essex, Connecticut. The trombone player is Brian Priebe.
I just finished up mixing my debut album together with my band Elements. The album will be released in the end of October... Until then, here's a little sneak peak from our last session:
I have made no secret of the fact that the British trombonist Roy Williams is one of my absolute favourites and has always been an inspiration for my playing. In this video he plays "It Never Entered My Mind" with Eddie Thompson on piano.
I think Roy was a very brave man to tackle this one because everyone surely has the Miles Davis version in their mind, with those very notable Red Garland arpeggios as backing. But the result is a very nice alternative recording of the tune. And Roy sticks a lot closer to the melody as penned by Richard Rodgers and Lorenz Hart.
The truth is that I just like this tune. There is another great version with the verse by Ella Fitzgerald. Frank did it also.
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:06 pm
by ttf_Geezerhorn
It takes one HELL of a sell job by a trombonist to make us all think that his thin tone and missed attacks are the way it SHOULD sound! Bravo! He is a true artist! Maybe some day - should I live long enough - I'll also be able to sell the way I sound as the way it SHOULD be. It sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not. I admire him and am now a fan. I personally would feel like I am playing badly if I sounded enough like him to be totally annoying and I probably WOULD be! Sometimes, there is only ONE artist who does it the way he does it and makes us all chase after him, in vain. I know such a recording artist whom no one could possibly sound like convincingly, so I get it.
Grah. Do you have any more. My puny search turned up nonsense.
...Geezer
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:58 pm
by ttf_Graham Martin
It's not as though Miles does not have a lot of missed attacks on his recording of "It Never Entered My Mind".
The problem with trying to find recordings of Roy Williams is that some search engines tend to turn up the football star. What you need to do is call up the home page of YouTube and enter "Roy Williams trombone" in the search box at the top.
And this is a Mix (starting with "It Don't Mean A Thing") of the Alex Welsh Band with a lot of Roy. Also the other Roy - Roy Crimmins, who preceded and followed Roy Williams in the band and who sadly died recently:
Ah yes! It was late and my brain was half-asleep. Thanks! I'm now steeped into Roy with a cup of Joe. Nice! I can see why he inspires you.
From the little bit I have listened to this morning, one thing immediate struck me. He isn't afraid of blowing hard on lower notes. Is it me, is it the style these days, or are modern tenor trombone players soft-pedaling lower notes? That's what I hear. It sounds okay, but it makes me think that they do it because they are using little mpc's with shallow cups and simply can't get an open blow down low unless they play those notes softly. I always admire a tenor trombone player whose tone is consistently strong throughout the range of his horn, other than for special effects.
LOVE his energy on Tangerine!
...Geezer
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:59 am
by ttf_Graham Martin
This is a video of Dan Barrett, another of my favourite 'hot' trombone players, with a tune associated with Bix Beiderbeck - "Wait Till You See My Cherie":
On this site you will find many 'hot' jazz videos (and a few 'cool' ones ). Click the 'Video' menu tag, but it will take you many hours to get through them all. Worth it though because it has some of the best live jazz you can hear, particularly from Americans on tour in Europe.
How about this rarity from 1979 with Ian McDougal taking a lovely half chorus at 1.30:
Quote from: Geezerhorn on Dec 11, 2014, 05:19AMIs it me, is it the style these days, or are modern tenor trombone players soft-pedalling lower notes? That's what I hear. It sounds okay, but it makes me think that they do it because they are using little mpc's with shallow cups and simply can't get an open blow down low unless they play those notes softly. I always admire a tenor trombone player whose tone is consistently strong throughout the range of his horn, other than for special effects.
...Geezer
You probably would have to discuss this with the experts but it certainly is the case with me. I lost my loud bottom notes after I started playing 1st in a few big bands and swapped my VB 6 1/2AL for an 11 - which really is not that shallow but I found better for the high notes. Perhaps it is more a case of what you are required to play as your normal range?
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:05 am
by ttf_Geezerhorn
Grah is on fire! I better make another pot of coffee!
You guys all probably know this. I'm probably the last to find out. It's extremely easy to download YouTube videos as MP3 files. I don't worry about copyright violations. The software site I use takes them into account, or so they say. Anyway, YouTube is one huge copyright infringement quagmire anyway. And I'm not either selling, giving my downloaded MP3's away or even somehow making them public. They are mine! All mine!
I don't know If I was allowed to mention the above, so I'll stick my neck out even further and give the site I use:
A moderator can edit this post if they have to for removal of my above content if I have done the unpostable. What do I know.
As I download trombone music from YouTube, I notice that quite a lot of them have already been converted to MP3 format and are immediately available. That tells me that people on this Forum already know of it.
OBTW, Grah. It's also been an observation of mine that guys with thinner lips can play MUCH higher than guys with (like me) thicker lips. Your YouTube vids are confirming my observation. We can play high, too. But it's the guys with the thinner lips that can go up into the stratosphere and keep on going.
...Geezer
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:13 am
by ttf_Piano man
Quote from: Graham Martin on Dec 10, 2014, 05:41PMI have made no secret of the fact that the British trombonist Roy Williams is one of my absolute favourites and has always been an inspiration for my playing. In this video he plays "It Never Entered My Mind" with Eddie Thompson on piano.
I think Roy was a very brave man to tackle this one because everyone surely has the Miles Davis version in their mind, with those very notable Red Garland arpeggios as backing. But the result is a very nice alternative recording of the tune. And Roy sticks a lot closer to the melody as penned by Richard Rodgers and Lorenz Hart.
The truth is that I just like this tune. There is another great version with the verse by Ella Fitzgerald. Frank did it also.
That's just beautiful. A long time ago on the forum, someone asked if it was possible to use a 'breathy' tone on trombone, like Ben Webster, and this guy comes close sometimes. I like the way he varies the amount of 'center' in the notes instead of trying to get a traditionally perfect tone every time.
Some wonderful plunger work by Wycliffe Gordon in this piece called "The Death Of Jazz"(The New Orleans Function) played by the Wynton Marsalis Septet at Dizzy's Club in 2013.
Quote from: Graham Martin on May 28, 2014, 07:06PMI came just came across this trombone feature 'I Have Dreamed' from the Glenn Miller Orchestra on their 1997 recording "The Miller Sound Lives Forever". I love the change up from 'C' to 'Db'. Just in my range.
Could that be Buddy Morrow??? I read somewhere he led the GMO for a while in the early/mid 1970's?
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:20 pm
by ttf_John the Theologian
Graham, thanks for posting the YouTube video of Dan Barrett. He's favorite of mine and I don't know why he doesn't get more mention among current jazz players. I believe he is the best small group swing style bone player currently playing and he's great on most of the traditional jazz stuff as well. I just purchased a dozen cds from Arbors records, where he currently records, and most of them included him in the various ensembles he plays in.
If you haven't heard Dan play, check out the video Graham linked above
Yeah, it's always puzzled me that he gets so few mention in the US but here in Australia we had a good introduction due to his good mate Tom Baker, who was an Aussie resident and star of hot jazz for many years mainly on trumpet. He is also an amazing multi instrumentalist and towards the end he was favouring the trombone. Tom now sadly gone but we have great recordings to remember him.
Here are Dan and Tom together, with the third bone being Michael Supnick. All three play trumpet also and there are some videos of them doing so.
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(and a few 'cool' ones 
). Click the 'Video' menu tag, but it will take you many hours to get through them all. Worth it though because it has some of the best live jazz you can hear, particularly from Americans on tour in Europe. 
