Something to save my wrist for edwards bass
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Something to save my wrist for edwards bass
I recently got an edwards bass and it is extremely heavy compared to my last bass, so i’m looking for something that won’t kill my wrist after 30 minutes of playing. I don’t want to spend more than $100 but i can if necessary. If you have something for sale then please PM me.
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Re: Something to save my wrist for edwards bass
Leather Specialties strap or Sheridan Brass Get-A-Grip.
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The only reason I don't recommend these now is that the updated model is very short- almost too short for a wide slide horn.
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The straps are a sensible starting point. Not very expensive and do a decent job.
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Yup, that's why I recommend the Leather Specialties instead.
https://www.lscoguard.com/bass-trombone ... strap.html
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I’ve got one of each.
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Me too! And I far prefer the Leather Specialties.
I had a Yamaha for a long time, and literally used it until it fell apart. My new replacement is much shorter and less comfortable. The Leather Specialties is real leather, very comfortable, and long enough to have wiggle room on a wide slide.
I had a Yamaha for a long time, and literally used it until it fell apart. My new replacement is much shorter and less comfortable. The Leather Specialties is real leather, very comfortable, and long enough to have wiggle room on a wide slide.
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Re: Something to save my wrist for edwards bass
Lots of options these day, but a Greenhoe rest bar changed my life when I was playing my Edwards bass.
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Honestly? No clue. I think I got the medium one... each side measures, from the very end, 1 foot. Based on the one I have, it would fit any hand size on a wide slide.TheBoneRanger wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 9:46 pmWhat size Leather Specialties strap are you using? The only thing that's stopped me from ordering one in the past is that I'd be guessing at sizes...
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Re: Something to save my wrist for edwards bass
Better question is how big are your hands? I have small hands and the bass small strap is perfect. Fits my basses with only about 2 inches of velcro showing. Medium should be good for most hands and the large of course for gorilla hands.TheBoneRanger wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 9:46 pmWhat size Leather Specialties strap are you using? The only thing that's stopped me from ordering one in the past is that I'd be guessing at sizes...
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The small strap does fit wide slides but only if your hands are small. I think it'd be a squeeze for most people.
Also the small bore tenor straps are a completely different size and design. The bass straps are the way to go for both large tenor and bass.
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Nothing will save your wrist except an Ergobone. Everything else is still just redistributing force on the hand, and that force still has to go through the wrist to the rest of the arm. Straps and grips only help your fingers. The fingers certainly need help on a bass bone, especially an Edwards. But to isolate the wrist you need something more involved.
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I developed tendinitis in my wrist, AND I had tennis elbow that was not caused by playing but was aggravated by it, and the Leather Specialties strap keeps both from coming back. I've tried the Ergobone, and I couldn't get over the awkwardness of it.hyperbolica wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:13 am Nothing will save your wrist except an Ergobone. Everything else is still just redistributing force on the hand, and that force still has to go through the wrist to the rest of the arm. Straps and grips only help your fingers. The fingers certainly need help on a bass bone, especially an Edwards. But to isolate the wrist you need something more involved.
For me the strap works because it keeps my wrist straight. Once my wrist starts bending I'm in trouble.
A bar that contacts the back of the hand - like the supports from Rath and Hagmann - also take care of this, but they are more expensive and I don't like the way they affect the response of the instrument.
I have not been able to find a way to bend the Sheridan Get-A-Grip that doesn't take my wrist out of the straight-on position I need. I have students who use it very successfully though.
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I've found the best way to use the Ergobone is with the floor pole, which is an extra expense. I didn't like the chest harness or the seat post. Plus, I made some 3D printed parts that connect from the post to the horn and make it a little less awkward.
I also use the get-a-grip. That keeps your fingers from getting stressed. The finger stress may feel like wrist (or shoulder or elbow) stress, since tensing the fingers makes muscles on your whole left side tense up.
I also use the get-a-grip. That keeps your fingers from getting stressed. The finger stress may feel like wrist (or shoulder or elbow) stress, since tensing the fingers makes muscles on your whole left side tense up.
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There is also the Clebsch strap. Very similar to the Yamaha.
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I use the Rath brace when I need to be mobile... when I’m seated I use the Ergobone... it is the most amazing product!!! Saved me from hanging up the bass.
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I’m curious about the Wise grip as well.
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I used a neotech grip on my Edwards bass. It's a brace than others but I've always found it really conformable. It doesn't work for everyone but may be worth a shot.
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Re: Something to save my wrist for edwards bass
I have tried all of these suggestions except the Rath and Haggman rests.
For me, the Yamaha and Klebsch straps tend to pull the inner slides out of alignment.
I was never able to get the NeoTech trombone grip to fit well and balance the instrument.
I used an Ergobone for many years due to wrist and elbow tendonitis. I couldn’t play my old Edwards bass without it. I used the harness and the pole depending on the situation.
Since I sold the Edwards and started playing a customized Bach 50 (about 10 years ago), I’ve used the Sheridan Get-a-Grip successfully. But when my tendonitis acted up and I had shoulder impingement about 5 years ago, I went back to the Ergobone for a few months.
The most important things that have allowed to keep playing: play with a straight or neutral wrist angle, don’t allow the body to collapse to support the horn, and do exercises away from the horn to strengthen muscles and develop flexibility in the joints.
For me, the Yamaha and Klebsch straps tend to pull the inner slides out of alignment.
I was never able to get the NeoTech trombone grip to fit well and balance the instrument.
I used an Ergobone for many years due to wrist and elbow tendonitis. I couldn’t play my old Edwards bass without it. I used the harness and the pole depending on the situation.
Since I sold the Edwards and started playing a customized Bach 50 (about 10 years ago), I’ve used the Sheridan Get-a-Grip successfully. But when my tendonitis acted up and I had shoulder impingement about 5 years ago, I went back to the Ergobone for a few months.
The most important things that have allowed to keep playing: play with a straight or neutral wrist angle, don’t allow the body to collapse to support the horn, and do exercises away from the horn to strengthen muscles and develop flexibility in the joints.
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Re: Something to save my wrist for edwards bass
Do any of these devices help balance a valve trombone? Thanks.
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I liked the GAG and would replace the one I lost but the border is closed and Newell doesn’t ship outside the US.
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Re: Something to save my wrist for edwards bass
If you mean a trombone with an F valve, yes.
If you mean a trombone with 3 piston valves, no. Piston valve trombones balance best if held like a trumpet, with both hands on the valve cluster.
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Thanks, Bruce.