flex chin

ttf_timothy42b · Post by **ttf_timothy42b** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:15 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59jHJhLf2O8&index=112&list=WL

They discuss the chin between 48:00 and 52:00 of this video.

I did not understand what they were talking about.

Also, just before that they talk about pressure, and she recommends 1 kilogram.

ttf_robcat2075 · Post by **ttf_robcat2075** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:50 pm

As I watch her, it looks like what I feel like I'm doing in the ultra-low rage (for me, pedal G and lower). Basically, trying to stuff more lip into the mouthpiece by jutting the chin forward.

But "flex" is not a world I would have used to describe it.

Yeah, there is a muscle movement to it so maybe that's how she thinks of it.

ttf_robcat2075 · Post by **ttf_robcat2075** » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:55 pm

Quote from: timothy42b on Jan 30, 2018, 07:15PM

Also, just before that they talk about pressure, and she recommends 1 kilogram.

Does she have a face scale or something?

How is she measuring that?

ttf_timothy42b · Post by **ttf_timothy42b** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:10 am

I didn't listen to the whole thing. I probably should. She does use a lot of pressure.

I'm always intrigued by how solid a horn can play in the low range on that tiny mouthpiece. I try to play low without dropping the jaw, though that does work. It wasn't clear to me if she drops the jaw or just the chin.

ttf_robcat2075 · Post by **ttf_robcat2075** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:12 am

At 49:20 she is clearly lowering her jaw but she's not playing so we don't know if that is what she really does or merely thinks that's what she does.

There's a lot of stuff there that must be horn player jargon.

"setting on" vs. "setting in" ?

ttf_timothy42b · Post by **ttf_timothy42b** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:49 am

Setting in (einsetzen) means anchoring the rim on the red of the lower lip. At least that's how I interpret Farkas.

Setting on has the lip inside the mouthpiece.

ttf_timothy42b · Post by **ttf_timothy42b** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:05 pm

Photos and drawings in this one:

wendellworld.com/html/Embouchure.pdf

I think my mother probably "set in." I have vague memories of some discussion about it. But she passed 20 years ago, and had been disabled for some time before that, so memories are not clear.

ttf_robcat2075 · Post by **ttf_robcat2075** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:40 pm

Quote from: timothy42b on Jan 31, 2018, 11:49AMSetting in (einsetzen) means anchoring the rim on the red of the lower lip. At least that's how I interpret Farkas.

Setting on has the lip inside the mouthpiece.

Does this have any equivalent for something as large as a bass trombone mouthpiece?

ttf_robcat2075 · Post by **ttf_robcat2075** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:40 pm

Quote from: timothy42b on Jan 31, 2018, 11:49AMSetting in (einsetzen) means anchoring the rim on the red of the lower lip. At least that's how I interpret Farkas.

Setting on has the lip inside the mouthpiece.

Does this have any equivalent for something as large as a bass trombone mouthpiece?