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Kbiggs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:53 am

I use mouthpieces in the same general rim size, and I’m finding I really like the Griego-Markey 87. It’s big enough to tackle the large and loud stuff in the lower register, and small enough to play the high loud (and soft!) stuff in the upper register.

Burgerbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:31 pm

Kbiggs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:53 am

I use mouthpieces in the same general rim size, and I’m finding I really like the Griego-Markey 87. It’s big enough to tackle the large and loud stuff in the lower register, and small enough to play the high loud (and soft!) stuff in the upper register.

I will veto the 87- I use one on a couple of my basses, it's my "main" bass piece, but it really doesn't agree with the Yamahas.

Burgerbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:15 pm The 59 is fine, it's just a bit small- it's really a 1 1/2 size. The 60 is much larger and not very good. There's a big gap between the two.

The 58 is also a stellar 2G size piece, mine is one of the darker pieces I own.

alagrange wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:00 am That did slightly concern me. The Yeo is 8mm (.3149) and the Bach 1-1/4FM is .319. Its a pretty big hole!

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:33 am

Burgerbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:15 pm The 59 is fine, it's just a bit small- it's really a 1 1/2 size. The 60 is much larger and not very good. There's a big gap between the two.

The 58 is also a stellar 2G size piece, mine is one of the darker pieces I own.

A Schilke 59 is NOT a 1 and 1/2G size piece. 1 and 1/4 YES. A 58 is closer but a bit smaller. A 58 rim ID is larger than the 2G rim ID.

tbonesullivan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:39 am

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:33 am

A Schilke 59 is NOT a 1 and 1/2G size piece. 1 and 1/4 YES. A 58 is closer but a bit smaller. A 58 rim ID is larger than the 2G rim ID.

I believe Burgerbob was referring to the Yamaha 59 and 60, not the Schilke 59 and 60, which are definitely significantly bigger. The Yamaha 59 is 27.22mm on paper, while the Schilke 59 is 28.52mm The Yamaha 60 is 28.25mm, smaller than the Schilke 59, while a Schilke 60 is 29.03mm.

For comparison, a Bach 1 1/2G is 27.00mm on paper.

My experience with the Yamaha 59 and 60 is the same: the 59 is a pretty good Bach 1 1/2G alternative, while the 60 is just not very good.

WGWTR180 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:33 am

Burgerbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:15 pm The 59 is fine, it's just a bit small- it's really a 1 1/2 size. The 60 is much larger and not very good. There's a big gap between the two.

The 58 is also a stellar 2G size piece, mine is one of the darker pieces I own.

A Schilke 59 is NOT a 1 and 1/2G size piece. 1 and 1/4 YES. A 58 is closer but a bit smaller. A 58 rim ID is larger than the 2G rim ID.

tbonesullivan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:10 pm FYI, I LOVE the Markey 85 and 87 with my Yamaha YBL-830. I know it's two generations later with a different leadpipe, but I've never gotten as many complements on my sound as I have when using the 85 and 87.

Bach5G wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:53 pm How does the Schilke 59 compare with a Hammond 20?

Kbiggs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:31 pm

Bach5G wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 4:53 pm How does the Schilke 59 compare with a Hammond 20?

My 2 cents, based on playing both for extensive periods: The Hammond 20 rim is about the same size as the Schilke 59, but it feels larger due to the round and wide shape of the rim. I found it was hard to make consistent starts of notes on the Hammond due to the rim shape and comparatively large throat. (For the stock models I’ve tried, Schilkes have throats quite a bit larger than Bachs, and Hammonds are usually even larger than Schilkes.) Ear was good, lips were good, but if I didn’t have things dialed in just right, I would scoop the beginnings of notes, especially after a breath. A very comfortable mouthpiece, plenty of core, good flexibility, but a major design flaw when used by this player. They work very well for other people, though. YMMV.

alagrange wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:11 am Quick update for you guys: I did a consultation with Doug Elliott and he recommended LB 111 Rim, K cup and K8 shank. I should have it in hand around Tuesday so, I'll be sure to give an update once it get here.