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I would find it interesting to know which information on the forum has developed you the most? If I start, it's information about pivot. This was something I hadn't heard of before I started reading on the forum, and after learning how my embouchure type works in that regard, it became much easier to play. What has helped you?

/Tom

For me the best info has been around the history of music, musicians and instruments. I find that very interesting. When Yeo can turn off his false moralizing and just talk about music, his stuff is very interesting.

I wish there was more info shared around arranging, voicing and harmonization.

hyperbolica wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:53 am ...

I wish there was more info shared around arranging, voicing and harmonization.

That's a course in Conservatory. You pay money for that. That said, there are a couple of YouTube channels related to voicings, although not specific to trombones.

BGuttman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:36 am

hyperbolica wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:53 am ...

I wish there was more info shared around arranging, voicing and harmonization.

That's a course in Conservatory. You pay money for that. That said, there are a couple of YouTube channels related to voicings, although not specific to trombones.

History is a course in university, but we still talk about that here. I learned extended and altered chords and progressions in a class we actually had in the Navy. It would be nice to pick up where that left off. It doesn't hurt to talk about things even (especially) if they are topics locked away for academics.

I have checked out some of the Youtube stuff mostly by keyboard players, and it really blows me a way. Especially this Adam Neely guy who manages to give a history lesson while teaching harmonic analysis. I went to a seminar given by Matt Neiss, and he started out way over my head, but eventually came down to something practical I could understand.

Lost me at “musical cultural imperialism”

imsevimse wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:40 am I would find it interesting to know which information on the forum has developed you the most? If I start, it's information about pivot. This was something I hadn't heard of before I started reading on the forum, and after learning how my embouchure type works in that regard, it became much easier to play. What has helped you?

/Tom

Some of the tips about different ways to practice have been helpful. Introduced variety and challenge.
The single most significant thing for me was finding out I could get a modular mouthpiece based on my particular needs and a consultation with Doug Elliot to advise and that the Atlantic wasn’t a barrier.
This meant I avoided having to get one of those kits/sets of various parts from other suppliers and play expensive mouthpiece roulette as I lack the knowledge/insight to work out the best combinations. Continue to appreciate my DE set up.

hyperbolica wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:11 am I have checked out some of the Youtube stuff mostly by keyboard players, and it really blows me a way. Especially this Adam Neely guy who manages to give a history lesson while teaching harmonic analysis. I went to a seminar given by Matt Neiss, and he started out way over my head, but eventually came down to something practical I could understand.

Thanks for posting that. I found it very interesting.

Bach5G wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:07 am Lost me at “musical cultural imperialism”

Yeah, he gets a bit out there, but i don't think he's too "preachy". I like the out there opinions just to try to see a different point of view even if I don't really buy in to it. He has obviously done some research and understands the topic. That tune has always seemed odd to me, and now when i hear it, i just see that girl's smile.

Jobim has written some of my favorite charts, and Neely helped me understand why.

His views on cultural imperialism and the under/misrepresentation of musical languages other than that of 18th century Europeans are not "out there", they're pretty widely held.

There are too many to things mention, but a few things I’ve found helpful over the years are posts by the following:

Posts about history from people like Maximillien Brisson, Howard Weiner, Byron Pillow (when he was contributing), Edward Solomon, etc.

The embouchure and mouthpiece posts, like those from Doug Elliott, David Wilken, and others

Equipment and repair posts from a lot of folks like Noah Gladstone, Brad Close, Benn Hansson, Eric Edwards (?), and others

In general, posts by Chris Stearn, William Lang, Mattie Barbier, Harrison Reed, Doug Yeo, imsevimse, savio, tbdana, and others

Posts by people like this have helped me progress as a player, a more knowledgeable musician, and a more decent human being.

LeTromboniste wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:06 am His views on cultural imperialism and the under/misrepresentation of musical languages other than that of 18th century Europeans are not "out there", they're pretty widely held.

Music is constantly borrowed, migrating, being integrated into other forms. "cultural imperialism" has some truth, but also maybe a little melodramatic as an unnecessarily emotionally loaded phrase that implies something evil. Lazy or incomplete would be a better way to describe how the song made it to US popular culture.

Anyway, very interesting analysis on several fronts.

At least two areas immediately stand out in my mind.
1. Embouchure related posts.
2. Trombonists I've discovered through the forum.
--Andy in OKC

Neely's Ipanema video is wonderful. I think he also says something like it's the most recorded song in history? I'd add to that it's also the song with the most butchered middle 8 in history.

Doug Elliott, about embouchure bad settings, switching from upward vibrating lip for upper register and downward, for lower register... (up streaming air flow, for lower register)
...I did it for 35 years without knowing this was such a problem for me...
It took me over 5 years to have it all settled as it should be...

Slidennis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 5:16 am Doug Elliott, about embouchure bad settings, switching from upward vibrating lip for upper register and downward, for lower register... (up streaming air flow, for lower register)
...I did it for 35 years without knowing this was such a problem for me...
It took me over 5 years to have it all settled as it should be...

Yes... getting REAL information from Doug Elliott as to how things actually 'work' has been life/trombone changing.

And, the Classified section has been great. Sold about two shoeboxes worth of mouthpieces after getting setup from Doug...and now I can avoid looking at the Classifieds and actually read about the trombone and music!

The chops threads. None of my teachers ever talked chops. I remember in university “discovering” the smile embouchure and working on it for a bit until reading in, I think, Denis Wick’s book, that it was not recommended.

I found the gear threads interesting but now there is so much stuff and all of it is so expensive, even used.