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Does anyone have any experience comparing the two?
I found some notes from a Shires rep in the archive stating that the "long" version (Bach length) tends "to feel a little more locked in to the harmonic series" while the standard length slides "move a little easier through the harmonic series".
My questions:
Is this more of a flexibility thing, or a width-of-slot thing?
Is it similar to the difference between the standard leadpipes and the "S" leadpipes?
Is it barely noticeable, or fairly pronounced?

It's more subtle (for me at least) than the differences between leadpipes of different lengths.

GabrielRice wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:15 am It's more subtle (for me at least) than the differences between leadpipes of different lengths.

Thanks! That's probably the most important part.

What I appreciate about the “Bach Length” slides is the ability to play low C with the F valve. The standard shires slides did not facilitate this for me.

Johnstad wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 8:27 pm What I appreciate about the “Bach Length” slides is the ability to play low C with the F valve. The standard shires slides did not facilitate this for me.

I don't really have a usable 7th position with a Shires - or Edwards or Yamaha - standard length slide.

GabrielRice wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:22 am I don't really have a usable 7th position with a Shires - or Edwards or Yamaha - standard length slide.

It's a lot like 7th position on most altos for me...right on the edge of falling off the slide on both of my Shires horns. And forget about C2 on the F-valve alone, unless I pull the tuning slide several inches.

I never really noticed that, but I checked just now and it's true for me also, even with the "Bach length" Shires slide I currently own - low E is a little bit sharp unless I take some chances. But I never use 7th unless it's the end of a fast chromatic line or part of a gliss. (I'm probably lipping it subconsciously in those cases).

For me, the low C is significantly sharp when F is in a good place, but the only real need I've ever had for that extended 7th position on the valve is Hary Janos, and I think the G may be easier to bully than the low C.

I like longer slides as well. Thein has an interesting way they made their slides longer- longer legs of the slide crook. I’m not sure why they didn’t just use longer slides tubes, but this could be a nice fix for shorter horns like Edwards/ Getzen basses. Newer Edwards V models have longer Bach length slides. Here’s a photo comparing the crooks: